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Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« on: 03 June 2009, 05:10:57 AM »
I know that the NVA and VC probably used whatever they could get their hands on, but apparently I have heard stories that the NVA used the MP40? Has anyone heard of this also? This page shows that the MP40 was captured from the VC/NVA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Captured_NVA_Weapons.jpg

Also I have seen pictures that the VC had M1 Thompsons that were sometimes without stocks, or chambered to their more accessible 7.62 Soviet Pistol round. Also I have seen that the M3 submachine gun was used by local VC, along with some other weapons that aren't exactly manufactured by allies of the VC, such as Japan. For example the Type 100.

Anyways I guess this can be a thread to discuss anything about Vietnam submachine guns, perhaps one of the most effective handhold weapons of Vietnam.
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #1 on: 03 June 2009, 01:10:46 PM »
Very possible the russians are known to savage large amounts of German weapons during and after WW2 so no surprise a K98 or MP40 got to the hands of a NVA or VC, Heck i wouldnt be surprised if they got their hands on MP44s
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #2 on: 03 June 2009, 10:17:05 PM »
My favourite VC submachine gun of Vietnam:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PPSh-41

All three versions saw use, particularly the PPSh-41 and K50M variants. The K50M was a combination essentially of the Type 50 variant with their converted MAT-49 submachine guns. Awesome weapon the PPSh-41.
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #3 on: 10 June 2009, 03:09:01 PM »
The USA also outfitted the ARVN with WW2 era weapons and tanks. So it's of no surprise NVA/VC got ahold of WW2 era weapons as the pacific battle raged all over asia.

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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #4 on: 10 June 2009, 10:20:22 PM »


Not exactly a good gun, but was used by tank crews occasionally. It looks nice though.

The Viet Cong and NVA also got many weapons from the Viet Minh who fought in the First Indochina War. The Viet Minh in turn were armed mainly with Japanese WW2 weapons they captured from the Japanese. They had many WW2 submachine guns from them like the Type 100 and the Type 50. They also used the Type 99 Arisaka and Type 99 LMG (though this was inferior to their more common DP2 and RPD machine guns.)

Also perhaps we can change this thread to cover all Submachine guns of the First and Second Indochina Wars as I'm going to add in a non NVA/VC submachine gun.

Owen Submachine Gun

The Owen Submachine Gun was the primary serving Submachine Gun of Australia from World War 2 to the Vietnam War when it was replaced by the newer improved F1 Submachine Gun. It was well known for its reliability. To decide what to use the army got an Owen, a Sten and a Thompson and submerged them in sand and mud to simulate the harshest environments for what the gun was intended for. The Owen was the only gun that still operated after that. However they were unsure of what ammunition to use (it could be chambered to use the 9mm Parabellum, 38/200 and .45 ACP rounds) and after government intervention they ordered 9mm variants. The Owen then served in Korea, the Malayan Emergency and then Vietnam. By then it's roles had been replaced by the F1 SMG and the L1A1 SLR.

However the Owen SMG is one of the most remembered Submachine Guns of the Australians. It's strange and unique look was easily distinguishable from other weapons and evolved right on the battlefields of World War 2. It's use in Vietnam would redefine the Aussie weapons industry.
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #5 on: 16 June 2009, 04:26:06 AM »
The MAT-49 was a commonly carried submachine gun by members of the French Foreign Legion during the First Indochina Conflict. After their retreat the Viet Minh had gained access to several captured and abandoned MAT-49 submachine guns. They then began converting them to fire the 7.62x25mm Soviet Pistol Round which was more easy to access than 9mm ammunition, and they gave it a longer barrel and a metal stock. The gun was then made available in large quantities for the Viet Cong, the North Vietnamese and as well as China and the Soviet Union. It was often carried by sappers and saboteurs. One handy feature was that for safe firing the magazine could be flipped up so that it was impossible for rounds to feed in the chamber. The MAT-49M which is what the NVA used was a vast improvement with the cyclic rate increased from 600rpm to 900rpm, making it deadly at close range like the PPSh-41, the Type 50 and the K50.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAT-49
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #6 on: 26 June 2009, 06:21:52 PM »
My Known Vietnam Used SMG's.

1) PPS-43
2) MAT-49
3) Mac-10??
4) Mac-11
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #7 on: 26 June 2009, 06:23:54 PM »
MAC-10 was used by the Green Berets in the final years of the war. MAC-11 I don't even think had been created during Nam, think it was after.
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #8 on: 19 July 2009, 03:08:09 PM »
One of the less known submachine guns of the Vietnam War was the MAC-10. Carried by Special forces in the final years of the Vietnam War, the MAC-10 was a compact machine pistol. It had a rate of fire of approximately 1100 rounds a minute and combined with its small size and weight, control of this submachine gun was near to impossible. It fired the powerful .45 ACP pistol round but the recoil only added to the control problems. Because of all these issues the MAC-10 thus only saw military service between 1970-1975 with the United States military, though it is possible that irregular groups around the world may have them.

However the MAC-10 did have the advantage of its revolutionary suppressor. It was in two parts, one part being larger than the other giving it a distinct appearance. the gun was so quiet that the bolt could be heard cycling and the rounds being discharged. It almost didn't effect the weapons effectiveness and the added weight made the MAC-10 easier to control, as well as provided a place to hold the weapon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC-10
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #9 on: 06 August 2009, 10:55:43 PM »
yeah ive seen one of those, isnt the stock foldable?
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #10 on: 07 August 2009, 05:47:34 AM »
Yes, though the stock is foldable on most compact weapons too you know that right?  :P
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #11 on: 07 August 2009, 08:43:45 AM »
ha yeah but that just help me remember it lol i read too many vietnam books
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Re: Submachine Guns of NVA/VC
« Reply #12 on: 08 August 2009, 04:38:55 AM »
Thompson Submachine Gun:

The Thompson submachine gun is an American submachine gun, invented by John T. Thompson in 1919 that became infamous during the Prohibition era. It was a common sight of the time, being used by both law enforcement officers and criminals. The Thompson was also known informally as: the "Tommy Gun," the "Trench Broom," the "Trench Sweeper," the "Chicago Piano," the "Chicago Typewriter," and the "Chopper."
The Thompson was favored by soldiers and police alike for its ergonomics, compactness, large .45 ACP cartridge, and high volume of automatic fire and among civilian collectors for its historical significance.

By the time of Vietnam, the Thompson Submachine Gun was considered obsolete among the US military, who were by now issued with M16s. However the USA supplied South Vietnam and South Korea with models of the Thompson, until they also received newer weapons like the M14 and M16. The Thompson however was still carried by units from these armies, and was popular amongst USA special forces. Also interesting is the fact that the Vietcong also used the weapon. They had some M1928 Thompsons which the Chinese had given them after WW2, and also captured USA M1 and M1A1 Thompsons. They were sometimes modified to fire more common ammunition types and were produced in jungle workshops. So both sides of the war were using the same weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thompson_submachine_gun
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